So, I've recently been thinking about learning to twirl a flaming sword. I've worked with swords for years. I've trained in fencing as well as long-sword for theatrical (ren faire) stuff. So, I was curious to know how you go from being a swordperson to a flaming swordperson? Will my standard live-steel sword work, or will I need a new sword, and if so, what kind? I was told you don't actually use a naked sword but a sword wrapped in kevlar to hold the flamable fluid, and so you need a cheap sword, something definately not full tang.
Very interested to hear feedback on this.
Very interested to hear feedback on this.
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Re: Newbie
Fri, March 2, 2007 - 11:17 PMfirst, we don't "twirl".... sheesh... :)
To become a 'flaming swordsperson" requires a little time at the haig.... :)
Okay, seriously. Unless you've studied wushu, odds are your sword skills will be next to useless, maybe even dangerous, with fire. You will need to light up a couple times to learn what you cannot do with fire. Just take it slow.
Cheap fire tools are dangerous tools. A cheap sword could mean 3 feet of flame, metal and liquid sailing into the audience. If you can get full tang, get full tang. but at this point, there's a wide variety of fire swords. Some are just swords wrapped in kevlar, some are designed specifically for fire, some I'll reserve comment on. :) Here's an idea, get 3' of kevlar rope (1/2" to an inch) and slip it over an epee, then attach. It would at least be different, and pretty easy to do. -
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Re: Newbie
Sat, March 3, 2007 - 6:18 PMLOL - good thing I've studied wushu then ;P
Part of it depends on what you're trying to do with the flaming sword. Combat is one branch, and non-combat is the other.
I'd actually caution you to go for good, full tang swords. The last thing you want is to get a sword, put lots of time and $ into it, spin it in an audience, and have the flaming blade snap off into the audience if you accidentally hit something.
On a similar vein, I've been looking for good, cheap, combat ready swords for a long time. this website, sword-buyers-guide.com
has excellent info on cheap, but durable, full tang swords.
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Re: Newbie
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 12:57 PMThe epee Idea is a good one, but I have made mine with a cut-down sport saber blade. Sabers I feel are a better application since they are made for a "slashing" or swinging type movement, though directional, it will give you much better lateral stiffness. I think Howward has handled my swords once. -
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Re: Newbie
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 12:14 PMyep, certainly very light and agile, they are. I love that Celsius and I and Tedward and Kenrom (just to name a few of those of y'all I've seen) all have different firesword styles - certainly keeps things interesting and furthers the art... -
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Re: Newbie
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 12:57 PMYeah, ummmmm, yeah... so much better than poi-by-numbers.... n' stuff...
:)
I think the sword is just a considerably older device than most others. I you think about it, really, it's been the defining mark of every culture since ... well, culture. So, an awful lot of energy has been put into it's construction and use. It certainly makes sense that there'd be a wild variety between it's users. -
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Re: Newbie
Sun, February 10, 2008 - 3:02 PMHahahaha, its the rouge fire tool!
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Re: Newbie
Sat, January 19, 2008 - 1:10 PMI recently bought a fire sword but its a 2 handed sword and is really biiiiiiiiiiiiig, I studied wu shu for 7 years but always use a one handed sword , so its going to be a chalenge to use the new one haha...
Any tips on how to get use to a really heavy sword? since I am not planing on lite it on fire until I manage to get use to the weight.. -
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Re: Newbie
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 10:47 AMthe heavy swords are a bit difficult to work with. Each fire sword I've used has certainly been heavier than my non-wicked swords, and usually what it takes is using them for a while before you get used to the weight. Unless you're used to it, don't use a two handed sword single hand, since the longer length of the handle can certainly whack you when you're not paying attention.
In my refining of what works for my solo performances, i've found that neither wushu steel (way too light), nor combat grade high carbon steel (too heavy, not enough flexibility) seem to work for my style. Of all the swords I've used, I think my favorite are still the no-name twin broadswords, spring steel. Sturdy enough to withstand all the heat and wick I've stacked on 'em.
www.martialartsmart.net/45-67sp30.html
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Re: Newbie
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 7:39 AMThe best thing about having a fencing background is that you have a notion of distance and what kind of move you need to make to hit the target. That's also the worst thing, since you don't want to hit anything with your fire sword.
I built my first set from some iron bars that don't look much like swords at all, but at night, with flames, who cares? I like to do partner work, though I need to find a partner with whom a more interesting routine can be worked out. I've got a link to a youtube of my "dance" in this thread at theflamingsword.tribe.net/threa...df043f
Definately full tang! You want something basically strong that's not going to break and send chunks flying. Cheap, yes, as cheap as you can get that will still work. I found some $40 Chinese broadswords and drilled holes along the back side and the secured 3/8" kevlar wicking, two strips, to the back. Initiallly I used stainless steel wire, but now I'm using hog ear clips, much tighter and no wire ends sticking out. They look good, since they are "real" swords, and when we hit, it sounds like it. Plus in daylight, it looks a lot better. Last time I used them, though, when we hit the sword edges bit into each other and stuck -- the heat makes the metal softer. So I had to file down the edge and get all the nicks out.
You standard live-steel sword will work fine -- if you can figure out a way to attach the wicking material. I've worked with a Japanese style sword that had 2 inch wide kevlar wrapped around the back side and secured with bolts. If you convert a regular sword, you pretty much will need to drill holes to insure the kevlar stays put.
I like the idea of the bokkens and shinai with a sheath of kevlar -- light and much easier to work with. Spinsterz.com carries them for $95 each and if you are considering working out a routine with contact, that would be the way to go, I think.
Going from being a swordperson to a flaming swordperson is mainly going from competing to performing. Things like when aiming a strike, make the aim point 3 or 4 inches away from any body part. Solo work becomes more a dance than a combat drill.
I've considered slipping some kevlar down over one of my epees, but when I hold an epee, my mind thinks point. For fire sword, people want to see sabre type moves. My only problem with slipping or wrapping kevlar around the blade is that it will deaden the sound, and the clashing of steel is what thrills the audience.
so go for it and post a video when you get out there and flame, :-)
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Re: Newbie
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 10:37 AM$95?? I gotta raise my prices...
I disagree that the sound is the only thing that excites the audience. I'd done quite a few choreographed combat shows, a couple of full combat shows, and a lot of variance between steel and shinai. I've found the intensity of action plays better than anything else. Yes the noise of metal on metal is what they expect, but the bone cracking sound of the shinai is quickly accepted too, particularly if you can go faster and harder because of the freedom of a safer tool.
Here's the latest full combat (skip to about 10:30)
video.google.com/videoplay
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Re: Newbie
Sun, January 20, 2008 - 2:27 PMIzile, when you feel enough practice to go from novice to expert, PM me, lets do some photos together, at least we are in the hood.
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Re: Newbie
Tue, January 29, 2008 - 1:17 PMSo ya, if you check out my firesword vids, you will notice how fast my swords can be. This has to do with the extreme lightness i have engineered them to have. I fence as well (saber being my favorite) so naturally I tried my first prototype with foil blades, then moving to saber blades realizing they fit the bill much better with all the directional swinging. These are for forms (spinning) only, they are not for contact, I have a totally different type for combat.
PM me if you want the blueprints to my fire sword recipe.
Oh yea, and if you have any dojos near by that teach Filipino stick fighting like Eskrima, Arnis or Kali, its a martial art that works beautifully with doubles.
Good luck!