I want to learn sword play and staff with a regular sword and staff and with fire.
I live on the Oregon Coast anyone around Yachats Florence area who would like to earn a little cash or do a trade??
PLEASE I am committed to learning to weild!
I live on the Oregon Coast anyone around Yachats Florence area who would like to earn a little cash or do a trade??
PLEASE I am committed to learning to weild!
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Some suggestions:
Find a regular fencing class, learn the footwork. The blade work won't be very useful for flames, but understanding the principles of the footwork will really help.
Japanese sword work is probably not too useful, due to the emphasis on quick strikes. Chinese stuff, particular Tai chi straight and broadsword work, however, is probaby the best kind of blade work for flames as manyof the moves are wide and sweeping. And the emphasis, like sport fencing, is not strength, but agility.
Look around for Tai Chi Chuan schools, visit and see what's what. You'll probably find one where they do sword work. I'm working on adapting the forms I've learned to a two sword set, with the awareness that I'm going to put fire on them. However, I've got tobuild the fire versions as I don't want to drill holes in my actual tai chi swords.
I met a guy here in Missouri who does a dual sword thing with flames, using real cutlasses. The weigh close to 10pounds each. The guy is really strong! I've got a few pictures of him doing his flaming sword thing near the end of the gallery at synature.smugmug.com/gallery/1697892 I've still got some learning to do on how to capture what he does in a photo.
Best of luck!
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Nice points, I'd argue a couple of things. Fencing, at least olympic fencing is crap for footwork, imo. Olympic fencing is on a line, and doesn't really cover much more than lunge, advance, retreat, and others such as ballestra's. You can dig back deeper and research some of the italian styles/teachers such as Di Grassi and find some really interesting circular footwork that work well with fire, but you're going to get a broader stance and a broader range of movement by studying something like a kenjutsu or wushu/kung fu. I think I know what you're trying to say by japanese forms employing quick strikes in the lack of parries, flourishes, or feints, but the art serves well for choreography, and the footwork alone helped most kinds of fire performance for me. Combining swordwork with capoeira is gorgeous too :)
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I'll agree and disagree. If you go to a fencing class and everyone immediately picks up masks and starts fencing, you're not in a place where you're going to learn what fencing has to offer. Getting a solid body level understanding of the advance and retreat, keeping the knees bent, moving forward and backward with only the lower body being engaged, keeping the upper body, shoulders and hips level and not going up and down, available for sword work. The lunge, again, learning the basics well, *should* teach you exactly how far you can leap, so that you are never surprised by going too far or not far enough. True, it focuses on a linear pattern, but anything you learn on a line, you can adapt toa circle. For a broader stance, sabre fencing is the way to go, though I have to admit my coach was Hungarian and this was before they turned olympic sabre fencing into jousting. Nonetheless, being able to move rapidly and surely without crossing the feet has got to be useful.
Blade work is another area where fencing, particularly foil using classical french grips, *should* teach you how to control the blade with two fingers with a high degree of accuracy. Granted, any fire sword is going to be heavier, but once you start moving with it, knowing how to control a blade with two fingers can be very useful.
I would agree that finding a chinese martial arts master or even apprentice will probably bring you quicker to a place where you can weild fire on the swords. But even there, the foot and lower body work is more important than the arms.
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I completely agree that fencing is good for learning all of those things, advance/retreat, good posture, keeping proper distance, keeping balance on a lunge, perhaps qualifying it by saying these things have merit, however application to using a firesword retains very little, and there's alot that has to be retaught due to the nature of fencing. Why retrain when you can learn something more applicable from the start? Don't get me wrong, being able to cover ground very smoothly is great, but even as a fencer it looks pretty awkward unless you're actually fencing, another point being most fire sword work is more akin to dancing, or even if it's not approached in that manner your movements are exxagerated for the stage(also something that crossing the feet is better suited for if you're using choreography too). Another problem with fencing I find is the lack of using the hips for torque and fluidity, something that's taught early on in eastern martial arts, and the lack of that keeps you much stiffer than you want to be. 'Fingering' techniques(for lack of a technical term), or using the two fingers for something like a coupe just doesnt translate to stage I've found, if you're changing lines from the outside to inside or vice versa, it's something you're going to really exxagerate. Don't get me wrong, I lovelove (classical) fencing, but it took me years to unlearn all of the muscle memory once I got into eastern sword arts and fire sword work, it was a process of investigation, finding what worked, what looked good, and what didn't. All subjective of course, we all make our own styles, hopefully ;)
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Good points, I've done very little in the way of stage fencing, but do recall that mostly it uses sabre moves, which are generally much larger. Back before electric sabre, they also had to be very clearly demonstrative so the judges and director could see better.
Use of the waist does give much more fluidity and grace, and I think having a solid leg foundation from fencing has only improved my tai chi sword form. But only time shall tell.
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