I'm considering building a pair using some steel strap from a farm supply place. It's 1" wide by 1/8" thick or so. i was thinking of drilling 3/8" holes along the length, probably staggered, and weaving kevlar rope through them. does that sound workable?
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Re: Advice on building a sword
Mon, July 31, 2006 - 10:50 AMThere's no problem with that plan, so long as you are able to punch out a bear. (And you should, by the way, because bears steal honey).
Think of it this way. Lift and swing around your steel strap. Kevlar and fuel are going to add about half-again as much weight. You're going to need to counter-weight it to keep from wasting your writst, so half again as much weight in the pommel. Then the subjective thing: I personally feel that playing with things on fire increases the weight by almost twice. It's all in my head, but fire wears out the muscles, makes everything feel heavier.
So, go back, grab about 3 of your steel straps and feel how that works for you. Scrap aluminium is not too hard to find, and you can probably get something that's got a T profile so that it has less jiggle....
But if you do have BEASTLY arms, I say go for it. It'll only make you stronger. Just be careful not to torque your wrists when you start practicing. -
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Mon, July 31, 2006 - 11:19 AMthanks for pointing out the weight side of it. I will double up and try out my sword form a few more times with that kind of weight.
After reading some of these things, I think I may try for a balance about 2 or 3 inches up from the guard, and start the Kevlar another inch or so beyond that.
I may end up punching or drilling a few more holes, just to lighten it up some. Maybe make it sound better, too.
I would never try to punch out a bear, I'm way too small. Pretty quick, though not as quick as I used to be. so I think I'll just let the bears wander by and keep still instead.
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Sun, August 6, 2006 - 4:34 AMI built twin swords with steel and Im on my 3rd pair now. The 1st ones were really bloody heavy and the tsuba was too small so I kept burning my hands, But they were great fun, when you have that sort of weight using 2 of them you can throw them around and use the other one as a counterbalance... tricky but effective.
The 2nd ones where very similar but a thinner sheet of steel was used and I knocked a few inches off the length, these were much easier to use but after a few burns they started to bend with the heat, annoying, had to be scrapped.
The 3rd pair were the original thickness but the same length as the 2nd ones. I got a larger tsuba put on to protect my hands and a pommel put at the very end of the sword as a counterweight which was also a really handy addition to the grip as I could throw them around alot quicker with no fear of thm slipping from my grip.
Now the warning... Playing with that sort of weight properly knackered my wrists and shoulders and I could only manage 2 mins before I got injured, I was forever seeing a Physio to get my shoulders sorted. Go light is my advice. -
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Sun, August 6, 2006 - 8:08 AMDo you know how much each one weighs? How thick is the steel you are finding works best? would you happen to have a picture of one?
Keile, of the Vesuvius tribe, uses real Scimitars, each of which weighs about 10 pounds. I played with them without fire and remarked to him that I wouldn't be able to go more than two or three minutes. He said he'd gone 15 minutes one time and had to have someone else take them out of his hands as he couldn't let go, and then spent a long time walking around with his arms locked out as he couldn't move them either. I've got a few pics of him doing the fire, though I haven't posted them yet. they will end up at synature.smugmug.com/gallery/1697892 sometime this week. Here's a pic of Keile playing with my chinese willow pattern sabre. synature.smugmug.com/gallery...4/Medium I'd love to find another pair of these sabres, as I'm not about to turn this pair into fire swords.
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Sun, August 6, 2006 - 1:07 PMOk, just been and checked, Both old and new weigh about the same, 5lbs each, but the newer ones are much better balanced. The newer one is 1/8" thick. The way I have threaded the wick through gives the best flame, I will try and find some pics of me burning them. I have posted some pics of the actual swords now. Have a look and tell me what you think. -
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Sun, August 6, 2006 - 7:07 PMThanks a bunch, these photos help. But I'm getting 3/8" rope and it looks like your wick is flat. I do like how you've done a bit of a weave with it. It may be a couple months, but when I get to them I'll be sure to post and let you know how I'm getting on.
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Mon, October 2, 2006 - 4:58 PMFinally built my first pair, pics at people.tribe.net/redwoodtw...4852b5c759 and people.tribe.net/redwoodtw...30134fbb00
Worked pretty good, though it was windy that night and I had let them drain too long. A friend was taking pics, but he managed to delete all the pics he took that night... -
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Mon, October 2, 2006 - 8:53 PMnice work on the swords and dipping/draining system! what kind of burn time are you getting? -
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Mon, October 2, 2006 - 9:33 PMHave only done the one burn, let them drain over an hour, got maybe five minutes, probably less. -
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Mon, October 2, 2006 - 10:58 PMyou can probably grab the top of the drain container and spin around like a dervish and get all dizzy. That's basically what I do to fast-drain my tools, since I'm impatient.
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Wed, October 4, 2006 - 11:26 AMSword weight
10 pounds is way to heavy... It's funny how the world has progressed and forgotten what a sword is or was... for some reason swords get heavier and heavier and historians that have never picked up a blade babble on about how heavy this sword was and then sword was...
Documents, such as the catalogues from museum and arms collections all show weights of real swords. Even the largest and heaviest combat swords were on average 3 or 4 pounds, with only a few in the 7-9 pound range...
Go light... then go lighter... joints take time to heal if yah injury them because someone told you how macho they were... and the more time you get to play before you get tired the better you'll be -
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Wed, October 4, 2006 - 1:21 PMTrue dat boo...
And you will also avoid a lot of stress by balancing the weight correctly. Your sword's center of gravity should be just an inch or two from the guard. Even if you have to add weight to the pommel, it can be worth it in the long run.
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Sun, October 22, 2006 - 1:02 PMThe swords got built and tested. I've postedsome pictures here.
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Mon, November 20, 2006 - 2:24 PMI have made several swords using oak practice swords - (they are called wasters) These have lasted 100's of burns and are lighter than most other fire swords I have seen. images.tribe.net/tribe/upl...bc8b473b50
The wood is covered with aluminum tape to prevent it from burning.